Nan:2006-07-06-inet-rfd

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From usenet Thu Jul  6 18:50:03 2006
Subject: RFD: remove low traffic former INET groups.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups
Followup-To: news.groups
From: Jim Riley <jimrtex@pipeline.com>
Archive-Name: comp.remove-former-inet
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                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the following
Usenet newsgroups:

  comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel
  comp.edu.composition
  comp.lang.clu
  comp.lang.lisp.franz
  comp.lang.lisp.x
  comp.lang.scheme.c
  comp.mail.multi-media
  comp.networks.noctools.announce (moderated)
  comp.networks.noctools.bugs
  comp.networks.noctools.d
  comp.networks.noctools.submissions
  comp.networks.noctools.tools (moderated)
  comp.networks.noctools.wanted
  comp.org.isoc.interest
  comp.os.cpm.amethyst
  comp.os.rsts
  comp.os.v
  comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
  comp.protocols.iso.x400
  comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway (moderated)
  comp.protocols.pcnet
  comp.soft-sys.andrew
  comp.soft-sys.nextstep
  comp.std.announce (moderated)
  comp.sys.intel.ipsc310
  comp.sys.ti.explorer
  comp.sys.zenith
  comp.terminals.bitgraph
  comp.terminals.tty5620
  comp.theory.dynamic-sys
  comp.theory.self-org-sys

PROCEDURAL NOTE:

It is the intent that after initial discussion of the overall proposal
that individual RFD's be posted to the individual newgroups (and any
related newsgroups).  Within the rationale is a list of proposed groups
that the inidividual RFD's would be posted.  Please feel free to comment
on those lists.


RATIONALE: Remove low-traffic former INET groups.

The INET distribution initially existed in parallel to (but within the
namespace of) the regular Big 8 Distribution.  Over time, leakage between
the two distributions made them virtually indistinguishable.  Nonetheless,
their independent origins resulted in no checkgroups messages being issued
for the main Big 8 distribution for several years.

Since at least 1991, there have been proposals to formally move some of
the more successful INET groups to the Big 8, but little ever ever came of
this, perhaps due to indecision about which groups merited being moved.

In October 2002, the moderators of news.announce.newgroups announced that
the INET groups would be included in future checkgroups messages.  This
decision was made so as to facilitate issuance of checkgroups messages for
the Big 8, rather than recognition of which INET groups had demonstrated
traffic or interest.

This proposal would remove 31 of the the former INET groups that have
little or no traffic, and in some cases overlap or duplicate newsgroups in
the main Big-8 distribution.  


PROCEDURE:

The full (draft) group removal procedure is documented here:

  http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups and participate in the relevant threads in that
newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to news.groups.

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that
all discussion appears in news.groups as well.

This proposal has not been posted to any of the groups proposed for
removal from the Big 8 newsgroups list.  The following list suggests
groups that may have interest in the inactive groups; once the initial
discussion is complete, we will post pointers to this document to each of
the below groups.  Please feel free to suggest changes to the lists of
related newsgroups.

  comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel (comp.dcom.lans.misc)
  comp.edu.composition (misc.writing)
  comp.lang.clu (comp.lang.misc and comp.object)
  comp.lang.lisp.franz (comp.lang.lisp)
  comp.lang.lisp.x (comp.lang.lisp)
  comp.lang.scheme.c (comp.lang.scheme)
  comp.mail.multi-media (comp.mail.misc, comp.mail.mime, and comp.multimedia)
  comp.networks.noctools.announce (comp.dcom.net-management)
  comp.networks.noctools.bugs (comp.dcom.net-management)
  comp.networks.noctools.d (comp.dcom.net-management)
  comp.networks.noctools.submissions (comp.dcom.net-management)
  comp.networks.noctools.tools (comp.dcom.net-management)
  comp.networks.noctools.wanted (comp.dcom.net-management)
  comp.org.isoc.interest (comp.protocols.misc, comp.infosystems, and
     news.software.nntp)
  comp.os.cpm.amethyst (comp.os.cpm)
  comp.os.rsts (comp.org.decus and comp.sys.dec)
  comp.os.v (comp.os.misc and comp.windows.x)
  comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ (comp.protocols.misc)
  comp.protocols.iso.x400 (comp.protocols.misc)
  comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway (comp.protocols.misc)
  comp.protocols.pcnet (comp.protocols.misc)
  comp.soft-sys.andrew (?)
  comp.soft-sys.nextstep (comp.sys.next.misc, comp.sys.sun.misc, and
     comp.sys.mac.misc)
  remove comp.std.announce (comp.std.misc)
  remove comp.sys.intel.ipsc310 (comp.sys.intel)
  remove comp.sys.ti.explorer (comp.sys.ti)
  remove comp.sys.zenith (comp.sys.zenith.z100)
  remove comp.terminals.bitgraph (comp.terminals)
  remove comp.terminals.tty5620 (comp.terminals)
  remove comp.theory.dynamic-sys (comp.theory)
  remove comp.theory.self-org-sys (comp.theory, comp.ai.alife)


DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

   news.announce.newgroups
   news.groups


PROPONENT:

Jim Riley <jimrtex@pipeline.com>


CHANGE HISTORY:

2006-07-06      Formatting touched-up by Tim Skirvin, posted as an RFD.
2006-06-26      Original RFD received.

From usenet Thu Jul 13 18:20:03 2006
Subject: 2nd RFD: remove low traffic former INET groups.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups
Followup-To: news.groups
From: Jim Riley <jimrtex@pipeline.com>
Archive-Name: comp.remove-former-inet
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:12:23 -0700
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                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the following
Usenet newsgroups:

  comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel
  comp.edu.composition
  comp.lang.clu
  comp.lang.lisp.franz
  comp.lang.lisp.x
  comp.lang.scheme.c
  comp.mail.multi-media
  comp.networks.noctools.announce (moderated)
  comp.networks.noctools.bugs
  comp.networks.noctools.d
  comp.networks.noctools.submissions
  comp.networks.noctools.tools (moderated)
  comp.networks.noctools.wanted
  comp.org.isoc.interest
  comp.os.cpm.amethyst
  comp.os.rsts
  comp.os.v
  comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
  comp.protocols.iso.x400
  comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway (moderated)
  comp.protocols.pcnet
  comp.soft-sys.andrew
  comp.soft-sys.nextstep
  comp.std.announce (moderated)
  comp.sys.intel.ipsc310
  comp.sys.ti.explorer
  comp.sys.zenith
  comp.terminals.bitgraph
  comp.terminals.tty5620
  comp.theory.dynamic-sys
  comp.theory.self-org-sys


RATIONALE: Remove low-traffic former INET groups.

The INET distribution initially existed in parallel to (but within the
namespace of) the "standard" Big 8 Distribution.  Over time, leakage
between the two distributions made them virtually indistinguishable.
Nonetheless, their independent origins resulted in no checkgroups messages
being issued for the Big 8 distribution for several years.

Since at least 1991, there have been proposals to formally move some of
the more successful INET groups to the Big 8, but nothing ever ever came
of this, perhaps due to indecision about which groups merited being moved.
At least 7 groups have been added to the main Big 8 distribution by the
voting process:

  comp.sys.handhelds (passed vote, but list not updated)
  comp.org.eff.news
  comp.org.eff.talk
  comp.windows.x.announce
  news.software.nntp
  comp.editors
  soc.culture.esperanto

In October 2002, the moderators of news.announce.newgroups announced
that the INET groups would be included in future checkgroups messages.
This decision was made so as to facilitate issuance of checkgroups
messages for the Big 8, rather than in recognition of which INET groups
had demonstrated traffic or interest.

This proposal would remove 31 of the the former INET groups that have
little or no traffic, and in some cases overlap or duplicate newsgroups
in the main Big 8 distribution.

It is proposed that the following 27 former INET groups _continue_ as
part of the Big 8 distribution:

  comp.ai.edu
  comp.ai.vision
  comp.lang.asm370
  comp.lang.forth.mac
  comp.lang.icon
  comp.lang.idl
  comp.lang.rexx
  comp.lsi.cad
  comp.os.aos
  comp.os.msdos.4dos
  comp.periphs.printers
  comp.protocols.snmp
  comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains
  comp.protocols.time.ntp
  comp.security.announce
  comp.sys.cdc
  comp.sys.northstar
  comp.sys.super
  comp.theory
  comp.theory.cell-automata
  comp.unix.cray
  comp.unix.solaris
  comp.windows.x.motif
  rec.games.vectrex
  sci.bio.technology
  sci.math.num-analysis
  sci.philosophy.meta
  
********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel	Hyperchannel networks within an IP network.

comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel has had no on-topic messages in the past 11
months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel and
comp.dcom.lans.misc.

*****************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.edu.composition

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.edu.composition	Writing instruction in computer-based classrooms.

comp.edu.composition has had no on-topic messages in the past 11 months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.edu.composition and
misc.writing.

******************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.lang.clu

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.lang.clu		The CLU language & related topics.

comp.lang.clu has had no on-topic messages in the past 11 months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.lang.clu, comp.lang.misc,
and comp.object.

******************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.lang.lisp.franz

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.lang.lisp.franz	The Franz Lisp programming language.

comp.lang.lisp.franz has had 5 apparently on-topic messages in the past
11 months.  Only one received a response.  Any Franz-specific discussion
can be conducted in comp.lang.lisp.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.lang.lisp.franz and
comp.lang.lisp.

******************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.lang.lisp.x

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.lang.lisp.x	The XLISP language system.

comp.lang.lisp.x has had no on-topic messages in the past 11 months. Any
XLISP-specific discussion can be conducted in comp.lang.lisp.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.lang.lisp.x and
comp.lang.lisp.

******************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.lang.scheme.c

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.lang.scheme.c	The Scheme language environment.

comp.lang.scheme has had 4 possibly on-topic messages in the past 11
months, though it is possible that they are actually about Scheme in
general or simply the C programming language.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.lang.scheme.c,
comp.lang.scheme, and comp.lang.scsh.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.mail.multi-media

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.mail.multi-media	Multimedia Mail.

comp.lang.mail.multi-media has had no on-topic messages in the past 11
months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.lang.multi-media,
comp.mail.mime, and comp.multimedia.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.networks.noctools.announce (moderated)
           remove comp.networks.noctools.bugs
           remove comp.networks.noctools.d
           remove comp.networks.noctools.submissions
           remove comp.networks.noctools.tools (moderated)
           remove comp.networks.noctools.wanted

The newsgroup lines are:

|comp.networks.noctools.announce	Info and announcements about NOC tools. (Moderated)
|comp.networks.noctools.bugs	Bug reports and fixes for NOC tools.
|comp.networks.noctools.d	Discussion about NOC tools.
|comp.networks.noctools.submissions	New NOC tools submissions.
|comp.networks.noctools.tools	Descriptions of available NOC tools. (Moderated)
|comp.networks.noctools.wanted	Requests for NOC software.

comp.networks.noctools.announce has not had any approved messages since
August 1995.

comp.networks.noctools.tools has not had any approved messages since
September 1994.

comp.networks.noctools.{bugs|d|submissions|wanted} have not had any
messages related to the catalog of noctools sponsored by the IETF, and
at one time maintained at Washington University in St. Louis:

ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/doc/noctools

Some of the unmoderated groups have rare posts that may be appropriate
for comp.dcom.* groups such as comp.dcom.net-management.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.networks.noctools.announce,
comp.networks.noctools.bugs, comp.networks.noctools.d,
comp.networks.noctools.submissions, comp.networks.noctools.tools,
comp.networks.noctools.wanted, and comp.dcom.net-management.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.org.isoc.interest

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.org.isoc.interest	Discussion about the Internet Society.

comp.org.isoc.interest has had no on-topic messages in the past 11
months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.org.isoc.interest,
comp.protocols.misc, comp.infosystems, and news.software.nntp.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.os.cpm.amethyst

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.os.cpm.amethyst	Discussion of Amethyst, CP/M-80 software package.

comp.os.cpm.amethyst has had no on-topic messages in the past 11 months.
Any discussion specific to the Amethyst can take place on comp.os.cpm.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.os.cpm.amethyst and
comp.os.cpm.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.os.rsts

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.os.rsts		Topics related to the PDP-11 RSTS/E operating system.

comp.os.rsts has had 15 on-topic messages in the past 11 months, in 3
threads.  Two of the threads were cross-posted to groups such as
vmsnet.pdp-11, alt.sys.pdp11, and comp.sys.dec.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.os.rsts, comp.org.decus,
and comp.sys.dec.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.os.v

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.os.v		The V distributed operating system from Stanford.

comp.os.v has had no on-topic messages in the past 11 months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.os.v, comp.os.misc, and
comp.windows.x.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ	The ISO Development Environment.

comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ has had no on-topic messages in the past
11 months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
and comp.protocols.misc.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.protocols.iso.x400
           remove comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway (moderated)

The newsgroup lines are:

|comp.protocols.iso.x400	X400 mail protocol discussions.
|comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway	X400 mail gateway discussions. (Moderated)

comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway has not had any approved messages since
June 1994.

comp.protocols.iso.x400 has not had any on-topic messages in the past 11
months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.protocols.iso.x400,
comp.protocols.iso.x400.gateway, and comp.protocols.misc.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.protocols.pcnet

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.protocols.pcnet	Topics related to PCNET (a personal computer network).

comp.protocols.pcnet has had no on-topic messages in the past 11 months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.protocols.pcnet and
comp.protocols.misc.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.soft-sys.andrew

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.soft-sys.andrew	The Andrew system from CMU.

comp.soft-sys.andrew has not had any on-topic messages in the past 11
months.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.soft-sys.andrew.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.soft-sys.nextstep

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.soft-sys.nextstep	The NeXTstep computing environment.

comp.soft-sys.nextstep has had 1 on-topic messages in the past 11 months
(though possibly more related to comp.sys.sun.misc).

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.soft-sys.nextstep,
comp.sys.next.misc, comp.sys.sun.misc, and comp.sys.mac.misc.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.std.announce (moderated)

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.std.announce	Announcements about standards activities. (Moderated)

comp.std.announce has not had any approved messages since May 1991.

The Google archive only contains 9 articles from a 4-month period in
1991.

However, Russ Allbery has suggested that the concept of a low volume
gateway for various standards announcement lists would be useful if a
moderator would step forward.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.std.announce,
comp.std.misc, and comp.std.unix.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.sys.intel.ipsc310

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.sys.intel.ipsc310	Anything related to the Intel 310.

comp.sys.intel.ipsc310 has not had any on-topic messages in the past 11
months.  In the past, most non-spam messages have been related to Intel
processors rather than the Intel multibus-based systems.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.sys.intel.ipsc310 and
comp.sys.intel.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.sys.ti.explorer

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.sys.ti.explorer	The Texas Instruments Explorer.

comp.sys.ti.explorer has had one on-topic message in the past 11 months.
Anything specific to the TI Explorer can be posted to comp.sys.ti.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.sys.ti.explorer and
comp.sys.ti.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.sys.zenith

The newsgroup line is:

|comp.sys.zenith		Heath terminals and related Zenith products.

comp.sys.zenith possibly has has had 3 on-topic messageS in the past 11
months.  One was specific to the Z100.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.sys.zenith and
comp.sys.zenith.z100.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.terminals.bitgraph
           remove comp.terminals.tty5620

The newsgroup lines are:

|comp.terminals.bitgraph	The BB&N BitGraph Terminal.
|comp.terminals.tty5620	AT&T Dot Mapped Display Terminals (5620 and BLIT).

comp.terminals.bitgraph has not had any on-topic messages in the past 11
months.

comp.terminals.tty5620 has had 3 sales related message in the past 11
months, though they appear to be more relate to the 3B2 than the
terminal.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.terminals.bitgraph,
comp.terminals.tty5620, and comp.terminals.

********************************************************************************

RATIONALE: remove comp.theory.dynamic-sys
           remove comp.theory.self-org-sys

The newsgroup lines are:

|comp.theory.dynamic-sys	Ergodic Theory and Dynamical Systems.
|comp.theory.self-org-sys	Topics related to self-organization.

comp.theory.dynamic-sys and comp.theory.self-org-sys have had one
discussion thread "*Real* Distributed Computing" cross-posted between
the two groups and several other groups including comp.distributed,
comp.object, comp.theory.cell-automata, and comp.theory.  It is
improbable that participation was coming from either of the two groups.

comp.theory.self-org-sys had a discussion thread "I need an email
calendar for non-profit org" cross-posted to alt.management,
alt.office.management, soc.org.nonprofit.  It is not clear whether the
originator wanted the calendar software to help him self-organize, or he
thought a self-organization was similar to a non-profit-organization.

Both groups also get quite a bit of conference and similar
announcements, but no discussion of their own.

A pointer to this RFD will be posted to comp.theory.self-org-sys,
comp.theory.dynamic-sys, comp.theory, and comp.ai.alife.


PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove these 31 newsgroups
should subscribe to news.groups and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to news.groups.

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups as well.

The full (draft) group removal procedure is documented here:

  http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup


DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

   news.announce.newgroups
   news.groups

The proponent will post pointers to the RFD to the newsgroups proposed for
removal. 


PROPONENT:

Jim Riley <jimrtex@pipeline.com>


CHANGE HISTORY:

2006-07-13      2nd RFD posted; made "comprehensive".
2006-07-06      Formatting touched-up by Tim Skirvin, posted as an RFD.
2006-06-26      Original RFD.
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